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Frankie B

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I have been asking Republicans who are so sure of a big landslide for Republicans this year, why would they need to use the illegal act called caging to suppress Democratic voters if they are so certain of a big win.  The answer is simple, Republicans have just been spinning.  What is caging you might ask:
Vote caging is an illegal trick to suppress minority voters (who tend to vote Democrat) by getting them knocked off the voter rolls if they fail to answer registered mail sent to homes they aren't living at (because they are, say, at college or at war). The Republican National Committee reportedly stopped the practice following a consent decree in a 1986 case.

Republicans don't want to answer my primary question of why would they do this if they really believed all the hype about a big win?  The true is they know it's all spin and are afraid that they might even lose more seats.  So, like an ostrich with it's head in the sand they hide from that question, angry that all these dirty Liberals didn't fall for their scheme.



For more reading
http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
http://bloggingblue.com/2010/09/20/illegal-voter-caging-effort-alleged-in-wisconsin/
http://www.clcblog.org/blog_item-138.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/SamEllison/fired-us-attorneys-bush-doj-laughingstock_n_732579_61168452.html
http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/looming-election-brings-back-same-old-gop-sop-voter-caging-voter-suppression-and-undermining
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/21/wisconsin-voter-caging/

And if all that isn't enough I resubmit to you this video:

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I don't have my head in the sand. Maybe this is being done because of illegal voters. All the GOP is trying to do is keep the election democratic.
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I don't have my head in the sand. Maybe this is being done because of illegal voters. All the GOP is trying to do is keep the election democratic.

What a horse laugh!  The GOP care about democratic elections?  Come on! It's not illegal voters that is the problem, it's the illegal activities of the Republican Party.  This caging is illegal and immoral and I don't see how anyone can justify it.
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I don't have my head in the sand. Maybe this is being done because of illegal voters. All the GOP is trying to do is keep the election democratic.

What a horse laugh!  The GOP care about democratic elections?  Come on! It's not illegal voters that is the problem, it's the illegal activities of the Republican Party.  This caging is illegal and immoral and I don't see how anyone can justify it.
I would like to see someone beat the crap out of one of these Republicans when try stop someone from voting. Maybe then they would think twice.
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For the last year we have heard these Republicans spin that this will be their year, so I have been asking if the Republican Party really believes that why are they caging Democratic voters?  Up till now, I haven't gotten one answer even though I have given link after link which tells just why and how this practice is illegal.   I have posted two videos by legal experts which these Republicans refuse to watch because they know what is being done is illegal and they don't want to face the fact that this election is neck to neck.  Answering my question would mean admitting that Republicans have been trying to spin their way into a win.  I have found the best article yet called "A Guide to Voter Caging"
Voter caging programs are often challenged in lawsuits. Two of the best known lawsuits to date have resulted in consent decrees against the Republican National Committee, prohibiting racially targeted voter caging and requiring other ballot security programs to be pre-approved by a federal court.[4]
Moreover, Congress has recognized that voter caging is unreliable. It has, for example, strictly limited the extent to which states can use caging techniques to purge their voter rolls under the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA),[5] better known as the Motor-Voter Law.
You will want to read this article from Brennan Center for Justice, it clears up a lot of facts.  It also tells why such tactics used by the Republicans are illegal.  The most despicable done by the party that chanted for 8 years, "Support the troops," was the denying those very troops the right to vote.  The Republican Party would send out mailers with instructions not to forward to Democratic districts and that meant that GIs wouldn't get these mailers because they were serving in Iraq.  The GOP would illegally use these returned mailers to stop those GIs from voting.  According to the law such mailers must be forwardable.
Congress recognized that voters move, and that the voter rolls may become outdated; it also recognized that there are many reasons why mail may go awry. The NVRA therefore carefully regulates the conditions under which a state may purge a registered voter based only on undelivered mail. Mail used for this purpose must be forwardable, with a notice to the voter to return an enclosed postage-paid card to the relevant registrar. If the voter does not return the card, she can be flagged but she remains eligible to vote, and need only confirm her address before voting. Once the mail is sent, the voter has at least two federal elections to show up, confirm her address, and vote, before a purge can take effect.

I know that you may have more questions about this, please read the whole article before asking them to me.  Let me tell you that I learned a bit from this article and so will you.  Now, the surprising question that has not come from any Republican is whether this is happening.  I think it strange that they wouldn't have challenge me on that instead of trying to argue that it is legal. 
Documents and audio recordings released yesterday by One Wisconsin Now document an apparent plot by the Wisconsin Republican Party, Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity (aka Fight Back Wisconsin), and various other tea party groups to suppress votes from minorities and students in this year’s elections using a well-documented — and illegal— practice known as “voter caging.” The alleged plot offers fresh evidence that long-discredited right-wing conspiracy theoriesLink about massive voter fraud supposedly perpetrated by minorities and others remain alive and well in both the official GOP establishment and its tea party base.
I could go on to make this post even longer, but I don't really see the need.  I will just simply end by reasking the question that I have been asking so many times, if Republicans really believe in the Big Win Theory, why are they illegally caging Democratic voters?

For more reading

http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
http://bloggingblue.com/2010/09/20/illegal-voter-caging-effort-alleged-in-wisconsin/
http://www.clcblog.org/blog_item-138.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/SamEllison/fired-us-attorneys-bush-doj-laughingstock_n_732579_61168452.html
http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/looming-election-brings-back-same-old-gop-sop-voter-caging-voter-suppression-and-undermining
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/21/wisconsin-voter-caging/

And if all that isn't enough I resubmit to you these videos:







As you can see the subject is well documented. 

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Wow Frank, I don't see how anyone can argue with that.
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I don't have my head in the sand. Maybe this is being done because of illegal voters. All the GOP is trying to do is keep the election democratic.

What a horse laugh!  The GOP care about democratic elections?  Come on! It's not illegal voters that is the problem, it's the illegal activities of the Republican Party.  This caging is illegal and immoral and I don't see how anyone can justify it.
I would like to see someone beat the crap out of one of these Republicans when try stop someone from voting. Maybe then they would think twice.

I'm afraid that would only make things worse, but I would like to see one of those smarmy guys with a bloody nose.  Republicans don't want everyone to vote and that's want we really need, everyone voting.  Republicans don't want that because they know that they only win when the turn out is low.

The reason I said that think that a violent response to these Rep caging would only make it worse it that they would scream that there is a riot at that voting place and get it shut down.  and even though that Rep is the one breaking the law and starting all the trouble, the guy hitting him would end up in jail.

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I don't have my head in the sand. Maybe this is being done because of illegal voters. All the GOP is trying to do is keep the election democratic.

What a horse laugh!  The GOP care about democratic elections?  Come on! It's not illegal voters that is the problem, it's the illegal activities of the Republican Party.  This caging is illegal and immoral and I don't see how anyone can justify it.
I would like to see someone beat the crap out of one of these Republicans when try stop someone from voting. Maybe then they would think twice.
I don't want that, I can just see Foxnews headlines, "Angry Leftists Start Riot." But we should punch theRNC in the nose with a law suit.
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